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Lost Introduces Jacob - He's Right Over There
2007-05-09 23:07
by Jon Weisman

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Does Jacob have power over life and death? And at what cost?

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2007-05-09 23:12:09
1.   trainwreck
I am kinda drunk, but I do not think for a second that Locke is dead.
2007-05-09 23:13:02
2.   Greg Brock
Tonight...On a very special Lost...Peeves the Poltergeist shows up, and Ben turns out to be younger than the Richard guy. Or does that Richard guy not age at all?

Locke took a gut shot. He could live for days, right?

2007-05-09 23:15:42
3.   Joshua Worley
My wife and I had a competition going to name the next person to die on Lost. Needless to say neither of us picked Locke.

Of course, he may not end up dead, though at this point it would feel a little bit like cheating, unless it's Jacob who heals him and pays some sort of cost, whatever it might be.

What happened to Ann?

One thing I realized, and I supposed very belatedly, is that every single person on Lost seems to have father issues. All of them. I guess lots of people in real life have father issues, but every single significant character has a father who was either absent or a total ass. I realized this after Ben killed his father ... that he did seemed important somehow, like this was a condition the "hostiles" put on him for joining them.

2007-05-09 23:20:34
4.   FirstMohican
Knowing that people recover from very serious injuries, why doesn't Ben put one in Locke's head? Maybe Ben's not trying to kill him.
2007-05-09 23:22:42
5.   Bob Timmermann
So is Jacob an older Locke or perhaps Dr. Christian Sheppard?

Michael Emerson's wife (Carrie Preston) played his mother.

2007-05-09 23:23:29
6.   Joshua Worley
Lost father rundown:

Hurley --- father left, then came back when he got rich
Sawyer --- father killed mother and self
Locke --- father was absent until he stole Locke's kidney and abilty to walk

Kate --- she killed her real father, who beat her mother and made advances at Kate
Sahid --- okay, nothing there that I know of
Charlie --- hmmm ....
Claire --- father was absent, then turned out to be an American creep who is now dead
Jack --- same creep, who was overbearing to the child he knew and tried to make him lie for him
Jin --- ashamed of father and tells his wife father is dead
Sun --- father is a rich jerk who makes her husband beat up people
Ben --- father blames him for wife's death and forgets his birthday and is an all-around doofus
Shannon --- father dies and leaves ... no will, or unclear will ... messing up her rich life
Walt --- his dad is a jerk who was never there and then when he's there is irrational and man I hated him way before he killed two people ... stupid Michael

Can't think of anymore right now ...

2007-05-09 23:28:08
7.   trainwreck
Nice job. I wish I watched this show from the beginning so I could come up with ideas for what is going on.
2007-05-10 06:10:26
8.   the OZ
So, i think it's pretty much guaranteed that Ben will be killed by his daughter at some point. It's just the way things are done on that island.

I also suspect another "purge" is in the works.

2007-05-10 07:29:02
9.   Benaiah
This is the second week in a row where someone was forced to kill their father in order to gain entry into the world of the others. The long time "daddy issues" that have plagued the people on the island seem to have a nasty resolution on the dark side. The others are freaky cultists, but at least they understand the importance of getting over it and moving forward.

Also, people apparently don't age on the island, since the guy that Ben talked to as a kid doesn't look a day older now that he is grown up.

2007-05-10 07:42:50
10.   Jon Weisman
9 - He didn't age, but Ben did.
2007-05-10 07:57:06
11.   Benaiah
10 - So did Alex, Ben's daughter (I think Ann is Rousseau), but I think that maybe you can grow up, but you can't grow old? Or maybe true believers don't grow old, since Ben's dad did age. There is definitely a mind over matter, subconscious made real, aspect to the island. Someone pointed out that Ben's mother died in her 7th month, and now all pregnant women on the island die at that time.
2007-05-10 08:23:57
12.   Greg Brock
Ben says that the DHARMA folks "Couldn't exist in harmony with the island's original inhabitants." Could mean that:

A) Richard is an original inhabitant
B) Richard is from the Black Rock, doesn't age, but isn't one of the original inhabitants.

A certain four-toed statue tells me that the Black Rock crewmen can't be the original inhabitants, but were taken into the fold...Roanoke Colony style, maybe? Croatoan?

Jacob's "Help Me" was legitimately spooky. Had a very "Management from 'Carvivale'" feel to it.

2007-05-10 09:52:48
13.   Andrew Shimmin
I didn't think much of Idiocracy. It wasn't all that funny. And the self-congratulating/self-pitying quotient was very high.
2007-05-10 09:58:05
14.   Benaiah
In deference to our fearless leader, I will move my movie talk over here. I wrote a review of "CSA" on my blog, it can be found here:

I also wrote about Idiocracy here:

To sum it up, they were both in my top 10 list from last year.

2007-05-10 10:16:51
15.   jtrichey
I thought the Jacob scene was kind of silly, but the rest of the show was very good.

Who knew that Uncle Rico was Ben's dad?

My theory: The DHARMA people age naturally. The "natives" might not. Once Ben became a member of the hostiles, has he aged? We aren't totally sure how much time has passed since then, nor do we know how a new guy like Ben became the leader of the tribe.

2007-05-10 10:17:08
16.   jtrichey
Oh, and no way Locke dies.
2007-05-10 12:15:26
17.   Jon Weisman
screenshot of Jacob:

2007-05-10 12:35:46
18.   Jon Weisman
As far as John Wayne's upcoming 100th birthday goes, I know a lot of people will bring up The Searchers, but my favorite movies of his are his first and his last: Stagecoach and The Shootist.
2007-05-10 12:46:44
19.   Benaiah
18 - The Quiet Man is unbelievable.

The scene where he fights through the house with his wife, eventually breaking the bed in half is wonderful. Especially for the topper of the old man walking into the house the next day, and upon seeing the broken bed exclaiming: "Impetuous! Homeric!" You just don't see writing like that everyday.

2007-05-10 13:53:08
20.   Andrew Shimmin
I've never seen a John Wayne movie.
2007-05-10 13:56:00
21.   Benaiah
20 - I imagine that this is because of some edgy stand (or perhaps this is a subtle form of parental abuse), but John Wayne is back in the underground, baby! The film snobs are coming out of the woodwork to support his work, making not liking John Wayne passe like not liking country music. You don't have to like The Green Berets (or "Rascal Flats") but there is a lot of unbelievable stuff out there.
2007-05-10 14:10:52
22.   Benaiah
The odds of an hour long "The Office" have increased. Apparently, even if the show doesn't go to an hour, NBC wants to increase the order to something like 37 episodes of the half hour version. Wow. This is like finding out Santa Claus is real. If this happens, it will be exactly the opposite of how I felt when "Arrested Development" went off the air and Depo got fired.

2007-05-10 14:13:44
23.   Bob Timmermann
That's it, I'm taking Andrew and I'm dragging him all the way back home!
2007-05-10 14:17:22
24.   the OZ
22 I imagine they can get Office episodes "in the can" pretty quickly, based on the format of the show and the style of humor.

By the same token, I think it's good that Lost is moving to a 16-episode season. That show is really time-intensive to produce.

2007-05-10 14:19:31
25.   Andrew Shimmin
It's not a stand of any sort, just indifference. I have zero interest in Westerns. None at all. I can't even bring myself to read Cormac McCarthy, not even the ones I know aren't Westerns. Maybe some day.
2007-05-10 14:21:09
26.   Benaiah
24 - From what I understand they basically already make enough footage for an hour long episode every week. The deleted scenes add about 6-7 minutes of footage to the 22 minutes shown, so that is most of the way to the 40-42 in an hour long show.
2007-05-10 14:25:30
27.   the OZ
26 Yeah. The style of shooting each scene has a lot of in-camera editing-type techniques (such as zooms and pans) that reduce the need to spend a lot of time precisely cutting shots and scenes together. I think it's really cool that NBC found a way to make a very cheap and technically simple very entertaining. The Office will stay economically viable for a long time, unlike other great shows like West Wing that were great, but expensive.
2007-05-10 14:27:10
28.   Andrew Shimmin
Is there precedence for an hour long sitcom?
2007-05-10 14:27:32
29.   Benaiah
27 - The reality is, all shows get more expensive as they go along, but "Office" set is pretty established and most of the characters can't be making much. The cast is huge though, so I could see it getting costly down the line.
2007-05-10 14:29:37
30.   Benaiah
28 - I don't think so, when I google search for it the only thing that comes up is "The Office."
2007-05-10 14:35:59
31.   Bob Timmermann
Depending upon your viewpoint, some people might consider "Northern Exposure" as a sitcom.
2007-05-10 14:37:44
32.   Benaiah
31 - Those hour long "drama-dies" on ABC could also qualify, though I think "The Office" is 70% comedy, 30% drama and those ABC shows have the ratio backwards, but I have limited experience with Ugly Betty, Grey's and Desperate Housewives.
2007-05-10 14:50:01
33.   Jon Weisman
31 - I disagree. There's a difference between a dramedy and a sitcom.
2007-05-10 14:57:51
34.   Bob Timmermann
I take my cues from the Emmys.
2007-05-10 15:06:18
35.   Jon Weisman
33 - The Emmys don't call them "sitcoms," though.
2007-05-10 15:09:02
36.   trainwreck
Wasn't "Dead Like Me" an hour long comedy?
2007-05-10 15:09:23
37.   Bob Timmermann
So what are you? Some kind of TV expert, who's written about TV and for TV and is employed by a major publication in the entertainment industry?

I hope you know that Library Hotline and Library Journal are also publications of Reed Business Information!

2007-05-10 15:12:43
38.   Andrew Shimmin
Ellen Muth was a Golden Satellite Award nominee for Best Performance by an Actress in a Series, Drama, for her work in Dead Like Me.

I take my cues from the Sattys.

2007-05-10 15:20:45
39.   trainwreck
Charmed and Buffy are like unintentional hour long comedies.
2007-05-10 15:27:34
40.   Jon Weisman
Friday Night Lights is coming back!

2007-05-10 15:31:09
41.   trainwreck
They are bringing back The Bionic Woman?
2007-05-10 15:35:31
42.   Jon Weisman
41 - Yes, new version.
2007-05-10 15:37:10
43.   Jon Weisman
But that's not even the wildest potential bionic-related story coming on the air this fall:

2007-05-10 15:47:38
44.   KBL
I just never got into Friday Night Lights, but you think I would learn from the past (Lost and Arrested Development)
2007-05-10 15:53:18
45.   Jon Weisman
New thread up top.
2007-05-10 15:53:44
46.   trainwreck
That sounds like a pretty sweet show, too bad it has to star Jamie Kennedy.
2007-05-10 21:27:44
47.   jtrichey
Freaks and Geeks. Hour long sitcom?
2007-05-10 23:59:19
48.   underdog
Finally watched this one online tonight, then read through your comments. Whoo boy.

For a second there, I thought Jacob = Mother Bates.

"You've had your fun, Jacob!" says Ben and I wanted to say that to the show's writers as well. The show keeps raising more questions than it answers, but it remains as intriguing as ever.

2007-05-11 00:02:16
49.   underdog
11 Wait, I don't get it - why would Annie = Rousseau? Isn't the latter quite French?


Speaking of Freaks and Geeks, anyone see the trailers for Knocked Up? (Judd Apatow) It has several cast members of F&G as well as the lead from Undeclared. Looks quite funny, could definitely repeat 40 Y.O. Virgin's success.

2007-05-11 12:56:58
50.   Jake Luft
I freeze framed it and I'm convinced I know who "Jacob" is -- Kris Kristofferson.

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2007-05-16 17:10:55
51.   MadMonk
19: I prefer the Shootist myself. And the Man Who Shot Liberty Valance wasn't shabby for having John Wayne in it.

18: Jon, I thought The Big Trail was John Wayne's first movie. Or am I delusional? In any case, I like the Searchers over the Stagecoach.

2007-05-16 17:12:13
52.   MadMonk
Oh, right, Jacob's introduction was pretty creepy. I refuse to believe the Locke is dead.

I think Lost has gotten their magic back after the lackluster season 2.

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