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For one final night, these are the Jersey Boys.
Avoiding the Seinfeld backlash by just cutting it off, midstream. Gutsy. Most people will not concur.
Sadly, not an exaggeration.
That's the tension and unsatisfying resolutions these characters live with. Yeah, ok, so it wasn't mindblowing. But it was weirdly appropriate.
I liked John from Cincinnati too.
There is a resolution, too, if you think about it. The kids are on their way. And Tony is going to prison, sooner rather than later. We just didn't see the slow grinding wheel; we just get to imagine it.
I hope Lost doesnt end like that.
I don't need nice endings to everything in life as I have found out that life doesn't have nice endings. Life just ends.
The show was just over.
I think it would have been very compelling to at least see the transition of power. Instead, it just ends with the same ole Tony.
Journey! Thanks, but no thanks.
Meanwhile, if you thought Chase was going to end things neatly, you haven't been watching the show.
Those of you who didn't like this ending should probably avoid seeing the film that likely inspired it, "Limbo."
Or maybe it was Frank Stockton after all.
As Tony said to Melfi way back in Season One: He "came in at de end." There is no transition possible. It's "no exit."
I thought about the blackout as Tony's sudden death, but now I don't think so. Like Bob said, Butchie and the rest of Frank's surviving crew had no reason any more to seek Tony's death. Phil wanted him dead for personal reasons. Butchie is happy as long as he's making money. If Tony was hit, who would've sanctioned it?
It was a great episode and the perfect ending. It is all things to all people, including a reason to gripe and complain for all the people that knew it couldn't live up to the hype. This is a middle finger to people who want resolution, and bravo to Chase for that. I don't think anything happened, I don't think there will be a movie and generally think that was a great ending.
"Don't stop- believing!"
I figured the finale would go something like this (or was hoping it would):
Tony's convicted of RICO and sentenced to 50yrs (essentially life)--early in the episode. Then he's taken to his own cell and we see him in a dark, solitary state. Just staring--afterall he's a calculating psychopath. The rest of the episode involves Tony flashing back to his past life, and the paths it took. The audience begins to believes Tony's having his own personal awakening, coming to a realization that everything his life stood for was wrong. Acts, acquaintances, everything...Then the swerve comes in the last scene--Tony's told to get out of the cell and go into the visiting era. There he meets Paulie sitting on the other side of the glass--and they start talking and the audiences relizes that Tony hasnt changed at all. He's still running the mob, only from prison (which lots of real life mobsters did). Fade out. The End.
Now, that would have given the people that wanted Tony to get his punishment, some fufillment and closure. And those that rooted for him, also closure since he never gives up power and still runs things to the end.
I'll guess i'll just imagine that happened.
Thank you David Chase.
The other I remember seeing was the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.
It wasn't all that great.
"The Sopranos" finale was almost the complete opposite of the "Six Feet Under" finale, where EVERYTHING was wrapped up. Even in to the future.
Yeah, I hate that. Except they did it so well.
Or maybe I have a kind mirror in my home.
There are lots of great novels, plays and movies with weak endings. "The Great Gatsby" and "Brothers Karamazov"-type endings are hard.
"The Sopranos" ending is going to be debated by fans, because the show drew two kinds of fans: Mob movie fans, and fans who got into it because they actually got into the character development, the symbolism, and the individual storylines. The former group is pissed off. The latter is more likely to be satisfied with it.
/end insightful analysis.
"Get the muthergrabbing surfboard and filth flarney muthergrabbers Mitchie is a woopty floodoo sonofabalderdash muthergrabber!"
It was a bit much, even for Milch. But the show looks decent.
I believe the whole final season was in color. I believe the finale was filmed at either Pacific Ocean Park or the Long Beach Pike.
I love swearing. I think it's the bee's knees. Yay swearing! It was just soooo over the top.
Look at me. A prude for the first time.
It was a mistake to launch such an intense series five minutes after the Sopranos. I nice sorbet-like episode of Entourage would've been more like it.
Did Tony get shot? Is there going to be a film? The completely open ending is great. It is obviously a very socially conscious show and we really have no idea what is in store for the future, just like the Sopranos. The expectations were so high that they could probably never meet them, so they went the complete opposite way.
Remember the good times.
I've never seen The Sopranos, but Limbo had one of my all-time favorite endings.
Kind of appropos for Chase considering he refused to wrap up loose ends like the Russian, and Furio.
Homicide had a terrific final scene, ending with one of the characters repeating the same line he had said in the very first scene of the premiere episode, which was also a line from the book the series was based on. Very rewarding for the long-time viewers.
I'm sure it's not one that leaps immediately to most people's minds, but the last episode of the old Adult Swim show "Home Movies" was perfect. It was called "Focus Grill" and it makes me cry every time. If you're a fan, you know what I mean.
All of the "Star Trek" finales were kind of disappointing. The "Next Gen" one was too much Picard to the detriment of all the other cast members, the "DS9" one ended with a completely anticlimactic wrestling match between Captain Sisko and Gul Dukat, the "Voyager" one ripped off "All Good Things..." and didn't even show them arriving home, really, and we all know how I feel about the last "Enterprise."
I watched the last "Everybody Loves Raymond" with my mom and I remember thinking that for most shows, that's the right way to go -- just try and do a good episode and forget about making a big deal out of every last thing. That said, while most people hated the "Seinfeld" finale, I thought it was great. It forced the viewers to deal with how repulsive these characters who had become like loved ones to them really were.
One finale I remember not liking was The Wonder Years swan song. IIRC, the show got canceled mid-season, so they just through the finale together at the last minute. It seemed rushed and premature. I also remember being sad that Kevin and Winnie didn't end up together.
I disagree that the final season of Buffy sucked. It wasn't their best but I liked it. Buffy's lowpoint was the villain Glory, who was grating beyond belief.
If you guys are expanding the discussion of finales, how have St. Elsewhere and Newhart not come up? MASH was both good and bad - Hawkeye's thing was a bit much.
Perhaps the final few seconds of The Sopranos was from Tony's point of view. He looks up to see who walks through the door, when instantly he is shot in the head and is dead, hence the world going black or the episode going black and silent for the viewers.
I'm a little too young to remember many of the shows you mentioned, Jon, but I do remember "Newhart." That was one of my favorites when I was a little kid (LOVED me some Larry, Darryl, and Darryl) and I have a very clear memory of sneaking down to the basement to watch the finale on an old black-and-white TV because I was grounded at the time and not supposed to be watching. Having never seen "The Bob Newhart Show," the full signficance of the ending was lost on me, but I still loved it. When all of the characters were selling out to the rich developers, George was going to use his money to start Handyman World. That was funny in 1990 and it's still funny today.
I thought the whole episode was kind of lame. Too much time spent on AJ being a whiny little punk. The last few episodes were way better.
Anyways, as for other series finales:
Seinfeld: Other than the last 2 minutes, hated it. (Jerry's standup in jail was good) That was the only scene that continued the pace and the spirit of the show. The great majority of the episode was characters from season's past taking the spotlight while the main four characters we loved sat silent. Why couldn't you put Kramer on the stand?!
Wonder: Very Good
Night Court: I remember being disappointed
Friends: Weak but at least there was closure
Third Watch: (did anyone else watch this show? This series ended with one of those season finale types that was re-configured as a series ender) I thought it solid.
Nothing else comes to mind.
Akin to Donnie Brasco--where you dont see Al Pacino's character actually get shot, but its inferred.
55 - The value of the Seinfeld finale wasn't a closure issue. It was just the least funny episode of the series.
She's pretty good-looking for 47, though. She's my second favorite 40-something babe, after Mary-Louise Parker.
But I believe that the character is supposed to be older.
Avoiding the Seinfeld backlash by just cutting it off, midstream. Gutsy. Most people will not concur.
i pretty much agree with you, although i did feel like somebody was gonna whack Tony in the restaurant
i thought that part was pretty lame & sad, specially the son. Hopefully in the movie he'll wise up.
How could I forget the Mary Tyler Moore finale?
Tony is living on borrowed time, he knows it, and we know it, and that's how the show ends.
"So here is what I found out. The guy at the bar is also credited as Nikki Leotardo. The same actor played him in the first part of season 6 during a brief sit down concerning the future of Vito. That wasn't that long ago. Apparently, he is the nephew of Phil. Phil's brother Nikki Senior was killed in 1976 in a car accident. Absolutely Genius!!!! David Chase is truly rewarding the true fans who pay attention to detail.
So the point would have been that life continues and we may never know the end of the Sopranos. But if you pay attention to the history, you will find that all the answers lie in the characters in the restaurant. The trucker was the brother of the guy who was robbed by Christopher in Season 2. Remember the DVD players? The trucker had to identify the body. The boy scouts were in the train store and the black guys at the end were the ones who tried to kill Tony and only clipped him in the ear (was that season 2 or 3?)."
Reading people's reactions to the Sopranos finale both here and other places around the Internet, it seems that criticism of the final episode is of the result of the horse race and not the way it unfolded. People wanted to see a a different horse win, or maybe just to know for sure which horse actually won. For me, what was solid about the finale was the way that the viewer was engaged emotionally in the characters. It's wasn't about the "what", but about the "how" and "why", which are more interesting questions anyway.
Unlike most television, The Sopranos was more akin to literature than theater. The actual events or results of the narrative weren't the central focus of the drama. Instead, the characters emotions and inner conflicts are what made the show so gripping. Literature is a more immersive medium, giving access to deeper layers of character and narrative. Chase could have written any number of onscreen situations as the last "event" to happen to the Sopranos and the last scene unfolded would have been just as engaging and entertaining. Take away the techniques of editing, pacing, sound, photography, and performance that made that scene so good, and even the coolest, more interesting event would have been far more dull and boring than the dramatic ending we witnessed.
I think the ending worked very well. I understand why people found problems with it, but its execution [no pun] was handled with skill and care.
It was all just a dream. Go back to work, people.
In the final episode, some gas stations are shown with prices of $2.45 per gallon, which would be about right for last summer or fall in the Northeast.
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